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Episode 5: Turgeon Kariya Taylor

03-07-2018

Turgeon:

NHL: 1987-2007; 19 seasons, 18 quality
515G, 812A for 1327P, +139 in 1294 games; 134.3 Point Shares; 16:04 ATOI (since 1998-99)
At his retirement, Turgeon was 16th in GPG, 21st in APG and 22nd in PPG of players who had played as long as he had [We cannot see what the Per Game Hockey Reference leaderboards were when he retired, so this will have to do]
In his draft year (1987), Turgeon is 3rd in Goals and Points, 2nd in Assists and 5th in Plus/Minus despite being 5th in Games Played [Really good draft]
Era: Of the 18 players to play in at least 1250 games between 1987 and 2007, Turgeon is
5th in Goals, Plus/Minus, Offensive Point Shares and Point Shares
6th in GPG
4th in Assists and Points
3rd in APG and PPG
82-game average: 33G, 52A for 84P, +9
3-year peak (1991-94): 82-game average of 48G, 66A for 114P, +7
Possession numbers were not tracked until the season after Turgeon retired
Playoffs: 35G, 62A for 97P, -6 in 109 Games
Adjusted: 517G, 798A for 1315P
Adjusted 82-game average: 33G, 51A for 83P
Adjusted PPG:
If the qualifier is set to 1250 games played, Turgeon is 15th All time in Adjusted PPG
If the qualifier is dropped to 1,000 games, Turgeon is 22nd All Time in Adjusted PPG
If the qualifier is dropped to 750 games played, Turgeon drops out of the Top 25
Traded thrice in his prime.

Kariya:

NHL: 1994-2010; 15 seasons, 13 quality
402G, 587A for 989P, +31 in 989 games; 109.3 PS; 20:57 ATOI (since 1998-99)
In his Draft Class (1993), Kariya is 2nd in Goals, 1st in Assists and Points and 16th in Plus/Minus despite being 16th in Games Played
Era: Of the 58 players to play in at least 950 games between 1994 and 2010 Kariya is
7th in Goals, GPG and OPS,
6th in Assists,
4th in APG,
5th in Points,
3rd in PPG,
11th in Point Shares
despite being 40th in Games Played
82-game average: 34G, 48A for 82P, +3
3-year peak (1995-98): 82-game average of 55G, 59A for 114P, +28
Possession (since 2007-008): 52 CF%, 3.5 CF%Rel, 52 FF%, 2.8 FF%Rel
Playoffs: 16G, 23A for 39P, -7 in 46 games; 21:12 ATOI (since 1998-99)
Adjusted: 445G, 633A for 1078P
Adjusted 82-game average: 37G, 52A for 89P
Adjusted PPG:
If the qualifier is set to 750 games, Kariya is 15th All Time in Adjusted PPG
If the qualifier is dropped to 500 games played, Kariya drops out of the Top 25
Never traded.

Taylor:

Never played a game in the NHL
PCHA (Centre):
1912-23; 10 seasons, 8 quality
159G (3rd All Time), 104A (1st by over 20 assists) for 263P (1st) in 130 games (probably 14th)
Taylor is probably 1st All Time GPG if the qualifier is set to 82 games played (5th with no qualifier), 1st All Time APG regardless of any qualifier (and .34 APG ahead of the 2nd place players) and 1st All Time in PPG regardless of any qualifier (and .64 ahead of the next player to play at least 82 games in the PCHA)
22.5-game average: 27G, 18A for 45P
3-year peak (1913-16): 16-game average of 22G, 16A for 39P [Note: This does not include his best GPG season]
Playoffs (from 1918): 1G, 1A for 2P in 8 games
Never Traded.
NHA (Cover-Point):
1909-11; 2 seasons, 1 quality
22G in 29 games
IHL (IPHL) (Cover-Point):
1905-07; 2 seasons, 1 quality
29G, 7A for 36P in 29 games
Amateur (Cover-Point):
Manitoba Hockey League 1905-06: 3G, 1A for 4P in 4 games
ECAHA:
1907-09; 2 seasons, both quality
18G in 21 games
Western Pennsylvania Hockey League 1908-09: 0P in 3 games.

Categories | Eligible Inducted Old Timer

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