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Episode 15: Brind'Amour, Forsberg, Frank Nighbor (Defensively Responsible Forwards Part 1)

09-10-2018

Rod Brind'Amour:
NHL: 1989-2010; 20 seasons, 17 quality
452G, 732A for 1184P, -39 in 1484 games (23rd All Time); 21:05 ATOI (since 1998-99); 105.7 PS
Draft: In his draft class (1988), Brind’Amour, drafted 9th overall, is
6th in Goals
4th in Assists
5th in Points
82nd in Plus/Minus
3rd in Games Played
Era: Of the 21 players to play in at least 1,250 games between 1989 and 2010, Brind’Amour is
8th in Goals, APG, Points and PPG
9th in GPG and Offensive Point Shares
7th in Assists
19th (3rd last) in Plus/Minus
14th in Point Shares
82-game average: 25G, 40A for 66P, -2
3-year peak (1991-94): 82-game average of 35G, 52A for 87P, -7
Possession (since 2007-08):
51.6% Corsi For
-0.5% Relative Corsi For
50.6% Fenwick For
-1.7% Relative Fenwick For
Playoffs: 51G, 60A for 111P, +7 in 159 games
Adjusted: 463G, 747A for 1210P
Adjusted 82-game average: 26G, 41A for 67P
Brind’Amour is obviously not in the Top 25 in any Adjusted PG category
Traded twice in his prime.
Peter Forsberg:
NHL: 1994-2007 with comebacks in 2008 (9 games) and 2011 (2 games); 13-ish seasons, 10 quality
249G (11th Swede All Time), 636A (6th) for 885P (6th), +238 (2nd) in 708 games; 20:15 ATOI (since 1998-99), 98 PS
Forsberg is 4th All Time in APG and 8th in PPG
In his draft class (1991), Forsberg, drafted 6th overall is
31st in Games but
9th in Goals,
2nd in Assists,
3rd in Points and
1st in Plus Minus
Era: Of the hundreds of players to play in at least 500 games between 1994 and 2007, Forsberg is
41st in Goals
31st in GPG
3rd in Assists
1st in APG
5th in Points
2nd in PPG and Plus/Minus
8th in Offensive Point Shares
14th in Point Shares
Despite being 159th in games played
82-game average: 29G, 74A for 103P, +26
3-year peak (2002-06): 32G, 80A for 111P
Possession (since 2007-08 - 11 games total):
43.8% Corsi For,
-5.4% Relative Corsi For,
43.9% Fenwick For,
-8.2% Relative Fenwick For
Playoffs: 64G (20th All Time), 107 (20th) for 171P (18th) in 151 games; 20:04 ATOI (since 1998-99)
Forsberg is 13th All Time in playoff APG and 10th in PPG
Adjusted: 278G, 699A for 977P
Adjusted 82-game average: 32G, 81A for 113P
Forsberg is 5th All Time in Adjusted APG and 6th All Time in Adjusted PPG
Traded once before he played an NHL game and once at the end of his career.
Frank Nighbor:
NHL: 1917-1930; 13 seasons, 7 quality (by modern standard of 0.5 PPG)
139G (7th All Time at his retirement), 98A (1st) for 237P (5th) in 349 games (3rd); 31.8 PS (17th)
Nighbor was the career leader in assists from the 1918-19 season until the 1930-31 season
At his retirement, Nighbor was 19th All Time in Offensive Point Shares
Nighbor didn’t play enough to qualify for the Hockey Reference per game leaderboards, but if we set the qualifier to 300 games (6 players at his retirement), Nigbhor was
4th in GPG
1st in APG
2nd in PPG
82-game average: 33G, 23A for 56P
3-year peak (1917-20): 24-game average of 26G, 16A for 24P
Playoffs: 4G, 9A for 13P in 20 games
Nighbor became the career leader in playoff assists in 1921 and held that record until 1932
Adjusted: 212G, 549A for 761P
Adjusted 82-game average: 50G, 129A for 179P
Traded once at the end of his career.

Categories | Eligible Inducted Old Timer

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