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Episode 23: Alfredsson, Sundin and Odie Cleghorn

04-03-2019

Two Swedes and one not Swede
Alfredsson:
NHL: 1995-2014; 18 seasons, all quality
444G (2nd Swede), 713A (4th Swede) for 1157P (2nd Swede), +155 in 1246 games (5th Swede); 19:45 ATOI (since 1998-99); 133.6 PS (3rd Swede)
Alfredsson is 2nd All Time in Offensive Point Shares among Swedish NHL players
Draft: In his draft class (1994), Alfredsson, drafted 133rd overall, is
1st in Goals, Assists and Points
2nd in Plus/Minus and Games Played
Era: Of the 66 players to play in at least 1,000 games between 1995 and 2014, Alfredsson is
5th in Goals and Points
7th in GPG
4th in Assists, PPG and Offensive Point Shares
6th in APG and Point Shares
10th in Plus/Minus
82-game average: 30G, 47A for 76P, +10
3-year peak (2005-08): 82-game average of 41G, 61A for 102P, +31
Possession (since 2007-08):
52.7% Corsi For
1% Relative Corsi For
51.4% Fenwick For
-0.5% Relative Fenwick For
Playoffs: 51G, 49A for 100P, 0 in 124 games
Adjusted: 492G, 769A for 1261P
Adjusted 82-game average: 32G, 51A for 83P
Alfredsson is far from being in the Top 25 of any Adjusted Per Game stat
Never traded.
Sundin:
NHL: 1990-2008; 18 seasons, all quality
564G (21st All Time at his retirement, now 23rd, 1st Swede), 785A (3rd Swede) for 1349P (25th All Time at his retirement, 1st Swede All Time), +73 in 1346 games; 19:50 ATOI (since 1998-99); 114.4 PS
Sundin is 3rd All Time in GPG and PPG among Swedish NHL players
Sundin is 16th All Time in Offensive Point Shares (1st Swede)
Draft: In his draft year (1989), Sundin, drafted 1st overall, is
1st in Goals and Points
2nd in Assists and Games Played
6th in Plus/Minus
Era: Of the 9 players to play in at least 1,250 games between 1990 and 2008, Sundin is
3rd in Goals, GPG, Assists, Points and Point Shares
4th in APG
2nd in PPG and Offensive Point Shares
7th (3rd last) in Plus/Minus
Also: https://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=total&year_min=1996&year_max=2008&season_start=1&season_end=-1&rookie=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&pos=S&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=points&c1comp=gt&c1val=72&threshhold=5&order_by=goals
82-game average: 34G, 48A for 82P, +4
3-year peak (1992-95): 82-game average of 40G, 54A for 94P, +7 [Note: this is hard to calculate because Sundin’s 3 best years are span 13 seasons]
Possession (since 2007-08, i.e. 2 seasons):
52.4% Corsi For
1.3% Relative Corsi For
53.4% Fenwick For
3.4% Relative Fenwick For
Playoffs: 38G, 44A for 82P in 91 games, +2
Adjusted: 599G (21st All Time), 811A for 1410P (18th All Time)
Adjusted 82-game average: 36G, 49A for 86P
Sundin is not in the Top 25 of any Adjusted per game category
Traded once in his prime.
Cleghorn:
NHL: 1918-28; 10 seasons, 5 quality
95G (12th All Time at his retirement), 34A (19th) for 129P (15th) in 181 games (18th); 15.7 PS
At his retirement, Cleghorn was 14th All Time in GPG and 17th in PPG
82-game average: 43G, 16A for 58P
3-year peak (1918-21): 24-game average of 20G, 7A for 27P
Playoffs: 7G, 2A for 9P in 12 games
Adjusted: 142G, 177A for 319P
Adjusted 82-game average: 64G, 80A for 145P
If the qualifier is 82-games, Cleghorn is 24th All Time in Adjusted PPG
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