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Episode 28: Ciccarelli, Fleury and Verbeek

13-05-2019

Ciccarelli:
NHL: 1980-99; 19 seasons, 18 quality
608G (19th All Time, 9th at his retirement), 592A for 1200P, -4 in 1232 games; 105.8 PS; 13:15 ATOI (final season only)
Ciccarelli is 23rd All time in GPG
Ciccarelli was undrafted. Among all undrafted players since expansion, Ciccarelli is
3rd in Goals
6th in GPG (minimum 200 goals)
9th in Assists
28th in APG (minimum 300 assists)
5th in Points
16th in PPG (minimum 500 points)
17th in Plus/Minus (minimum 1000 games)
4th in Offensive Point Shares
11th in Point Shares
Era: Of the 6 players (2 D) to play in at least 1000 games between 1980 and 1999, Ciccarelli is
2nd in Goals, GPG, Assists, Points, Offensive Point Shares and Point Shares
3rd in APG and PPG
Last in Plus/Minus
82-game average: 40G, 39A for 80P, -0
3-year peak (‘85-’88*): 51G, 52A for 103P, -2 [*Ciccarelli’s very best year came much earlier, in 1982 when everyone scored a ton, but the two surrounding years were significantly worse]
Ciccarelli retired before possession stats were calculated
Playoffs: 73G (13th All Time, 10th at his retirement), 45A for 118P, - 41 in 141 games played
Adjusted: 530G, 522A for 1052P
Adjusted 82-game average: 35G, 35A for 70P
Obviously Ciccarelli is not on any adjusted per game leaderboards
Traded four times.
Fleury:
NHL: 1988-2003; 15 seasons, all quality
455G, 633A for 1088P, +145 in 1084 games, 110.3 PS, 20:37 ATOI (since 1998-99)
Drafted 166th overall in 1987. In his draft class Fleury is:
4th in Goals, Assists, Points and Plus/Minus
6th in Point Shares
8th in Games Played
Era: Of the 52 players to play in at least 1,000 games between 1988 and 2003, Fleury is
10th in Goals and GPG
15th in Assists and APG
13th in Points and PPG
9th in Plus/Minus and Offensive Point Shares
18th in Point Shares
82-game average: 34G, 48A for 82P, +11
3-year peak (1992-95): 82-game average of 41G, 54A for 94P, +19 [Fleury basically has two overlapping three year peaks, of ‘90-’93 and ‘92-’95]
Fleury retired before possession stats were kept
Playoffs: 34G, 45A for 70P, +2 in 77 games
Adjusted: 468G, 643A for 1111P
Adjusted 82-game average: 35G, 49A for 84P
Fleury is not on any adjusted PG leaderboards
Traded twice.
Verbeek:
NHL: 1982-2002; 20 seasons, 15 quality
522G, 540A for 1062P, -46 in 1424 games; 14:00 ATOI (since 1998-99); 94.7 PS
Among all players to play in at least 1250 games since 1967-68, Verbeek is 10th worst in Plus/Minus
Draft: In his draft year (1982), Verbeek, drafted 43rd overall, is
2nd in Goals
5th in Assists and Games
4th in Points
Era: Of the 17 players to play in at least 1250 games between 1982 and 2002, Verbeek is
4th in Goals and GPG
14th in Assists and Plus/Minus
15th in APG
11th in Points and Offensive Point Shares
10th in PPG
13th in Point Shares
82-game average: 30G, 31A for 62P, -3
3-year peak (1989-92): 38G, 41A for 79P, -5
No possession stats available
Playoffs: 26G, 36A for 62P, -32 in 117 games
Adjusted: 487G, 506A for 993P
Adjusted 82-game average: 28G, 29A for 57P
Adjusted PPG: Verbeek is not even remotely in the Top 25
Traded twice in his prime.

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Bill Enos

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 Bill grew up on the south shore of Montreal, but was born on the left coast. He has been a die-hard Canucks fan since 1989 (except those two Messier years, which he spent living in a bunker fearing the sun).  Bill has long been an avid baseball, hockey and football fan, and probably should write a book about one of them. Joining the podcast with Riley is a chance for Bill to flex his vast knowledge of hockey history without becoming a pub quiz barfly. Bill has promised to remove his green and blue coloured glasses for the podcast, but can't make any promises. 

 

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