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Episode 33: Lehtonen, Carbonneau and Shorty Green

09-09-2019

Lehtinen:
1995-2010; 14 seasons, 10 quality (by PPG)
243G, 271A for 514P, +176 (2nd Finn All Time) in 875 games; 59.1 PS; 18:48 ATO (since 1998)
Draft: drafted 88th overall in the 1992 NHL Entry Draft, Lehtinen is
4th in Goals
8th in Assists
6th in Points
1st in Plus/Minus (by 109 goals)
9th in Point Shares
12th in Games Played
Era: Of the 125 players to play in at least 820 games between 1995 and 2010 (10 full seasons), Lehtinen is
43rd in Goals
41st in GPG
79th in Assists
80th in APG
62nd in Points
60th in PPG
6th in Plus/Minus
70th in Offensive Point Shares
45th in Defensive Point Shares (5th forward)
68th in Point Shares
82-game average: 23G, 25A for 48P, +16
3-year peak (2000-03): 82-game average of 27G, 24A for 51P, +29
Possession:
54.8% CF
2.9% CFRel
54.3% FF
2.5% FFRel
Playoffs: 27G, 22A for 29P, +2 in 108 games
Adjusted: 265G (+22), 288A (+17) for 553P (+39)
Adjusted 82-game average: 25G, 27A for 52P
Obviously not on any adjusted PG leaderboards
Never traded.
Carbonneau:
1980-2000; 19 seasons, 9 quality [by standard of .5 PPG]
260G, 403A for 663P, +186 in 1318 games; 44.4 PS; 14:27 ATOI (since 1998)
Draft: Drafted 44th overall in the 1979 NHL Entry Draft, Carbonneau is
15th in Goals
14th in Assists
14th in Points
8th in Plus/Minus
30th in Point Shares
5th in Games
Era: Of the 10 players to play in at least 1,312 games (16 seasons) between 1980 and 2002, Carbonneau is
9th (2nd last) in Goals
8th in GPG
Last in Assists
Last in APG
Last in Points
Last in PPG
7th in Plus/Minus
Last in Offensive Point Shares
6th in Defensive Point Shares (2nd forward)
Last in Point Shares
82-game average: 16G, 25A for 41P, +12
3-year peak (1988-91): 24G, 33A for 57P, +21
No possession stats unfortunately
Playoffs: 38G, 55A for 93P, +5 in 231 games (7th All Time)
Adjusted: 229G (-31), 358A (-45) for 587P (-76)
Adjusted 82-game average: 14G, 22A for 37P
Obviously Carbonneau is nowhere near any adjusted PG leaderboards
Traded twice.
Shorty Green:
NHL:
1923-27; 4 seasons, 2 quality by modern standards
34G, 22A for 56P in 103 games
Era: Of the 33 players to play in at least 88 games (2 full seasons in 1927) between 1923 and 1927, Green is
15th in Goals
14th in GPG
17th in Assists
10th in APG
17th in Points
15th in PPG
19th in Offensive Point Shares
27th in Point Shares
48-game average: 16G, 10A for 26P
3-year peak (1923-26): 30-game average of 12G, 8A for 20P
No NHL playoff games because of the players strike
Adjusted: 58G (+24), 122A (+100) for 180P (+124)
Adjusted 82-game average: 46G, 97A for 143P.

Categories | Eligible Inducted Old Timer

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